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Is the Bi-Valve What I'm Looking for?
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janalon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Is the Bi-Valve What I'm Looking for? Reply with quote

I "thought" that I found the perfect amp tone in the Hughes & Kettner 25w Puretone (http://www.hughes-and-kettner.com/products.php?mode=prod&id=5). As an upgrade from a Peavy Classic 30, this amp had that clean, glassy, chimy, biting tone, and ran dead silent. Or perhaps it was German Engineering and that cool neon blue glow.

But, the honeymoon is over. I'm wondering if I fell in love with the first Class A amp that I came across. Seriously thought, there are several issues that are nagging me. The combo weighs 60 lbs., and is killing my back. Secondly, I've fallen in love with the H&K Rotosphere and Boss DD-20 pedals that prefer to be placed through an effects loop (the puretone has no loop). Finally, the volume moves from the first and second notch, where it is barely audible, and jumps to the point where neighbors are knocking down the door.

I already know enough that the bi-valve has a loop, can run one tube as 15w, and weighs considerably lighter. What I need to know is this: will I get a comparable tone if I use the same Ruby EL34str power tubes?
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the recluse
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your primary reason for buying a BV is the effects loop, it is probably not what you are looking for. Unless you run the amp clean, and use pedals out front for your distortion/overdrive, it is unlikely that you will yield good results with the delay in the loop because the distortion is going to come from the poweramp section of the amp. Search this forum and the old one about using delays with the UV/BV for more info.
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janalon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the recluse wrote:
If your primary reason for buying a BV is the effects loop, it is probably not what you are looking for. Unless you run the amp clean, and use pedals out front for your distortion/overdrive, it is unlikely that you will yield good results with the delay in the loop because the distortion is going to come from the poweramp section of the amp. Search this forum and the old one about using delays with the UV/BV for more info.


Nope, the weight & volume issue are the larger issue. The FX loop is just a bonus feature- primarily for the Rotosphere. I do like a mostly clean amp, pushed to slight overdrive. Talking about front-end pedals, I'm a year into the list for an Analogman King of Tone pedal... Don't need much distortion, just a little grit and gain when needed.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am extremely happy with the Rotosphere in the effects loop.I had previously stopped using it because of the noise when I ran it into the front end.I think Benttop was talking about the loop ,so I tried it out again,and now my BV doesn't leave the house without the Rotosphere tagging along!
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janalon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-Log wrote:
I am extremely happy with the Rotosphere in the effects loop.I had previously stopped using it because of the noise when I ran it into the front end.I think Benttop was talking about the loop ,so I tried it out again,and now my BV doesn't leave the house without the Rotosphere tagging along!


Thanks, this is what I was hoping to hear. Anyone else?

BTW what is the weight of the Bi head?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only thing I use in the BV effects loop is a seymour duncan pick-up booster.

...for clean to the edge of grit,I really like using a single low output power tube...like a 6v6,6k6 or 6f6 with a mullard ecc83 driver and a 12at7 or 12ay7 input. ...old RCA tubes sound the best to my ears. (and a single tube wont wake the neighbors!)

single-coil (or coil-tapped) pick-ups work best for me with this tube arrangement and a 1x12 cab w/celestion

at home, I use the line out into a digital reverb (for now) into a '67 Fender Champ.

when playing with a drummer/stage I've had very good results using two Svetlana "flying C" 6550's and two 4x12 cabs @ 4 ohms ... ...thats with a (blasphemy!) guitar processor in front of the BV. (what I do is set up the processor to duplicate my natural guitar sound...then add effects,reverb or distortion.) ...with this much clean headroom the processors can really shine while still retaining the 'tube output' sound!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joej14701 wrote:
the only thing I use in the BV effects loop is a seymour duncan pick-up booster.
That pedal was designed to go in front of the amp not in the loop! Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That pedal was designed to go in front of the amp not in the loop!

...I know,but it was clipping really bad...like way overcompressing.

...I tried it in the loop and it works great! ...really comes to life for solos!

...I'm not recommending this pedal,tho...it sounds great but its built cheap and the footswitch has serious reliability issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That pedal was designed to go in front of the amp not in the loop!

...I know,but it was clipping really bad...like way overcompressing.

...I tried it in the loop and it works great! ...really comes to life for solos!

...I'm not recommending this pedal,tho...it sounds great but its built cheap and the footswitch has serious reliability issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joej14701 wrote:
...I'm not recommending this pedal,tho...it sounds great but its built cheap and the footswitch has serious reliability issues.
I have to disagree with you on three of those points. Mine is not built cheaply and has no reliability issues at all, and furthermore I would recommend this pedal for use IN FRONT of the amp.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joej14701 wrote:
...I'm not recommending this pedal,tho...it sounds great but its built cheap and the footswitch has serious reliability issues.
I have to disagree with you on three of those points. Mine is not built cheaply and has no reliability issues at all, and furthermore I would recommend this pedal for use IN FRONT of the amp.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joej14701 wrote:
That pedal was designed to go in front of the amp not in the loop!...I know,but it was clipping really bad...like way overcompressing....I tried it in the loop and it works great! ...really comes to life for solos!...I'm not recommending this pedal,tho...it sounds great but its built cheap and the footswitch has serious reliability issues.
I have to disagree with you on three of those points. Mine is not built cheaply and has no reliability issues at all, and furthermore I would recommend this pedal for use IN FRONT of the amp.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow this board is seriously screwed up now, sorry about the multiple posts it wasn't intentional.
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Tarzanalog
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

t0aj15 wrote:
Wow this board is seriously screwed up now, sorry about the multiple posts it wasn't intentional.


S'OK... I was going to second your comment... but you thirded it yourself, so...

My pickup booster is a tank as well, though I've never tried it in a loop.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not to turn this into a thread about an effect,but...

I got my seymour duncan pick-up booster from musicians friend a few years ago... it's anything but a tank!(wish it was!)

...dont knock using it in the loop without trying it!
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